Mule Deer Areas: Mule deer numbers in Unit 23 are stable. If you enter the draw with a guide/outfitter and draw a permit, you are required to hunt in the field with that guide for a minimum of two days. Now It's time to start prep for the elk hunt in a couple of weeks. I did find deer but I don't know what the crowds are like once the season starts. For example, if an application with two people is drawn and there is only one license remaining, then that application will be rejected or if a nonresident and a resident apply together and there are not enough nonresident licenses, neither the resident or nonresident will be given a license. just curious let me know as I might be able to help with the 24 info. Unlike the white-tailed deer, the mule deer does not raise its tail in alarm, but holds it against the body as it flees. Mule deer have a gestation period of about seven months. DM for info its a great area. Check your email for a confirmation message. Decoying can also be effective with bucks just beginning to rut. When predation is additive to other mortality factors, then predation can limit deer populations. In the case that residents and nonresidents apply together, nonresident licenses are pulled from the nonresident quota. The rut is not very active during the first archery seasons. Since these deer are on the Northern extent of the desert sub species and butt up against the contiguous habitat of the "Rocky Mountain" sub species, above the rim, these deer physically exhibit characteristics that blend the two. The scarred and broken branches and bark are easily observed about 18 inches above the ground. New Mexico Land For Sale; Arizona Land For Sale . Silver City, NM 2. 2023 Rifle Antelope Tag Unit 3/301 PLO 2 Ranches. I did draw the tag. The good news is that current range conditions are much better than they were in 2021 and 2022. Lloyd W. Powell Jr. 1974. Las Cruces: New Mexico State University Cooperative Extension Service. However, the World Health Organization has concluded that there is no evidence that CWD can be transmitted to humans. New Mexico. Desert mule deer prefer shrublands and woodlands in desert mountain ranges and hills, or arroyos in arid desert flats. Curtis Chalk. Once you have an agreement with a guide, you will apply in the draw with their guide number. Hoenes, and C.L. I drew a Sept. coues deer tag in 23. ), B. Neal Ainsworth, Jr. with New Mexico record Rocky Mountain bighorn sheep, taken on Taos Pueblo, in Taos County in 2005. I read through the regs page by page trying to find the rules on using Budweiser as a decoy or bait to keep hunters away from me while hunting but I came up empty. On a not so sarcastic notewhat are the rules on salt/mineral blocks/baits or any of the sort in NM? Privacy Notice | With no Bonus Points the draw odds were roughly 8.5%. In areas where deer are abundant, antlerless and either-sex hunts are used. Conversely, grasslands tend to be poorer habitat because they usually lack cover (Bender, 2012). As previously stated, there is good antelope hunting on private land and those licenses are available OTC if you can gain written permission to hunt or if you book a hunt with an outfitter who has access to private lands. Everything you need is always in one place at GOHUNT. You will see more elk hunters than elk or deer. Location: Arizona New Mexico Unit 23,24 Mule deer by thedesertbuck Fri Jun 23, 2006 8:09 pm Well looks like me and the wife both drew a New mexico 23, 24 Mule deer tag. If your goal is to hunt and harvest this type of buck, I would suggest that the hunts/units above should make up at least two of your three choices. JavaScript is disabled. Your application could be one of the first selected in the draw and, as such, you want to receive the best permit/hunt possible. Hunting is the main source of mortality for adult bucks, and control of hunting seasons is used to manage mule deer populations in New Mexico. Because of their need for high-quality foods, deer are always on the move while feeding. All Rights Reserved. (Photo: Courtesy of Boone and Crockett Club), New Mexico record desert bighorn sheep. Our guide, Dan Hiegel, set up a nice campsite in unit 23, and we met him there. Mule deer are New Mexico's most important big game species. Why are we your best choice for guided youth hunting in New Mexico? I am not familiar with the area around Alma and have only hunted late season so not really sure what deer patterns are in the early season. Below are the best hunts for Coues deer in New Mexico. B&C trophy entry requirements: Figure 5. In J.C. de Vos, Jr., M.R. Most of the remainder of the diet is forbs, and grasses and succulents (e.g., cacti) usually contribute much less than 10% seasonally. Clearly focused, close-up photographs of the front, left side, and right side of your trophys antlers or horns or tusks. I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway, Iowa hunters are now allowed to use necked rifle cartridges (with some caliber restrictions). The timeframe between December and late March is critical for good prong length and height in general. All the laws are not in the proclamation but if you follow it you should be good for the most part. We offer rifle, archery, and muzzleloader hunts for mule deer with an abundance of trophies on our properties. November: Mule Deer tags for unit 23 took from 4-10 Bonus Points to secure in most cases. Ultimately, however, habitat is the key to mule deer populations. The Rocky Mountain mule deer is larger; the average field-dressed weight of mature (6 years or older) males (bucks) is around 195 lb, with larger deer weighing more than 250 lb. There is little actual fighting between bucks because dominance hierarchy has usually been established before peak rutting periods occur. If selected, all applicants on the application would receive a license provided there are enough licenses to offer one to each applicant. He broke out tripods, spotting scopes, and some really large and high-powered binoculars. New Mexico has a random draw system for all species.. He earned his Ph.D. from Michigan State University. Up to 10% of the licenses for each hunt can be allocated to applicants applying with an outfitter/guide. Colorado Landowner Tags for Sale. There are three pools of permits: the resident pool, the nonresident pool and the guided pool. These changes have driven deer populations down because they have greatly reduced both the amount and quality of mule deer habitat. The dark brown scat of mule deer is usually found in clumps. New Mexico Maps Maps for New Mexico Hunting Units Select a hunting unit from the dropdown menu or click a unit on the map below. During outbreaks, some deer die quickly with no apparent signs of disease, others may die within a week, some recover but are debilitated, and still other deer show no sign of disease during outbreaks, and survivors may develop immunity to that particular virus serotype (but not necessarily other HD virus serotypes). Applicants must front the entire cost of the license(s) they apply for. To conserve, regulate, propagate and protect the wildlife and fish within the state of New Mexico using a flexible management system that ensures sustainable use for public food supply, recreation and safety; and to provide for off-highway motor vehicle recreation (Read more), Phone: (505) 476-8000 | Toll-free (888) 248-6866, Copyright 2016 New Mexico Department of Game & Fish | All Rights Reserved, (505) 476-8000 | Toll-free (888) 248-6866. If you aren't caught up in competition of "score" then this hunt lacks nothing when it comes to overall experience. Advertise With Us. Deming, NM Messmer. Hunting deer,elk. Logan, UT: Jack H. Berryman Institute. (Photograph courtesy of the Boone and Crockett Club), Chris Robb and guide with #2 New Mexico nontypical elk, taken in Catron County, 1998. Map files expire one year after publishing. Trophy Mule Deer In New Mexico's Top Units - Worldwide Trophy Adventures 702.847.8747 Rocky Mountain mule deer are found from above the timberline to low-elevation short grasslands, and frequently in urban areas. by bowtechjwar Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:42 pm, Post Yes there are deer and Lions and bears and plenty of hunters. Habitat changes resulting from extensive logging, initial overgrazing of grasslands, and large wildfires greatly favored mule deer by creating large areas of shrublands and early successional (saplings) forests. Just wondering about some information on unit 24 mule deer. Official Measurers work on a volunteer basis for the Boone and Crockett Club and measure trophies according to their schedules. When reswallowed, it passes through the other chambers of the stomach and on through the digestive system. A copy of the hunting license and/or tag for this trophy. I just bought the same tag. (Photograph courtesy of the Boone and Crockett Club), NM record nontypical Coues deer, taken in Hidalgo County by Peter M. Chase, 1941. That unit usually has left over tags that get sold after the draw. Also would mind exchanging info with someone that is going to be up there incase they need help with anything. (Photo by Mara Weisenberger.). If you include a fourth and fifth choice, applicants are agreeing to accept any leftover license, which means that they may allocate you a license that was not your fourth and fifth choice. Thanks. Contents of publications may be freely reproduced for educational purposes. Antelope shed their horns, or sheaths, in mid-November. We have our rifle hunts in Northern New Mexico bordering Colorado on the North part of the unit, and the Jicarilla Apache Indian Reservation on the Souh East part of the unit. Range conditions should be much better this year and antelope bucks should experience an excellent growth year. Mule deer live in nearly every habitat type within unit 23. The second table outlines a number of hunts that have good numbers of nonresident permits, but those areas have low public land percentages and complicated access. by hunterman67 Sat Jun 24, 2006 2:18 pm, Post Heffelfinger, J. Mule deer can live about 1015 years. 2006. They lose their spots two to three months after they are born. Up to 10% of the permits for each hunt are allocated to applicants through the draw who have a signed agreement with a guide/outfitter. Mule Deer Unit 33 NM late archery westrnwild Oct 11, 2021 Oct 11, 2021 #1 W westrnwild Well Known Rokslider Joined Feb 13, 2014 Messages 361 Location Colorado Hey guys. Lomas, L.A., and L.C. Compared to other Central Arizona units like 21,22, and 24B unit 23 is pretty on par quality wise. Uncertainty still lingers over exactly how CWD is spread and even the causative agent, which is likely an abnormal protein called a prion. Desert mule deer are usually lighter or paler than Rocky Mountain mule deer. Hunting Unit Maps New Mexico Hunting/Recreation Maps BLM-New Mexico has partnered with the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish (NMDGF) to offer free maps of Big Game hunting units and recreational opportunities on public land using the CarryMap application. (Photograph courtesy of the Boone and Crockett Club), New Mexico record nontypical mule deer, taken by Joseph A. Garcia in Rio Arriba County, 1963. If you use a horse to block yourself to sneak up on an animal like they do antelope up in WY it is illegal. Fawns get up on their feet only hours after birth, but they are rather unsteady and very susceptible to predation. I would love to backpack into the wilderness but without the water I'm starting to lean towards packing in one night at most and trying to stay more mobile with my truck. Consider these factors as you look at the individual units. These changes have decreased the amount of mule deer habitat in New Mexico and throughout the West. We have some of the best Mule Deer hunting in the West. Pro hunting? New Mexico has areas that meet these criteria and the bulk of the bigger bucks that are coming out of New Mexico that are outside of the well known hunts are coming from those areas areas that have good habitat/feed and provide refuge from other hunters. The rest of the state does have good populations and, for 2023, many of the hunts in the southwest and northern portions of the state will see an increase in the number of tags available. It may not display this or other websites correctly. If your first hunt choice had better odds than your second and third choice, you are essentially wasting those choices. 6. . You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. We came acrosss some nice bucks, but we couldn't get close enough or a good shot (with a rifle). Apr 23, 2022 #10 Lostinthewoods 0. Nonresidents can draw up to 6% of the permits for each hunt. There will be lots of road hunters but it's not hard to get away from them. Trophy potential on average is fairly moderate. Second, we recommend that you apply with the best hunt (worst odds) as your first choice and then select progressively better odds (average hunts) as your second and third choices. anyone every been allowed on property if asked permission? Unit 2A & 2B, 2C Unit 34 seasons vary and all units offer private mule deer hunts. They will be PM's as my daughter and I get to hunt deer in 13 again with the smoke pole. Reserve, NM, Total Acreage: 1,875,000 acres over 2,930 square miles, Total Public Land: 1,200,000 acres or 63%, Land Ownership Mix: 37% Private; 63% Public; USFS: 443,776 acres; USFS Wilderness: 29,184 acres; BLM: 329,472 acres; State: 412,096 acres; Other Govt. This change has continued to cause some confusion for applicants in knowing how many total permits must be available to offer one to a nonresident in the regular draw and the guide draw. Hunting New Mexico has never been better! 2. This unit does have some hunting pressure on the public grounds, but those who are able and willing to put in the work have found success here in past years. You can mix your choices with mule deer and Coues deer hunts, but you cannot apply for three mule deer hunts and three Coues deer hunts. Both residents and nonresidents can apply with a guide and be considered to draw from the guide pool of permits. Not many whitetails in that unit any more, but the NM/AZ border north of Mule Creek is about as good as anywhere. Anyone have experience of where the crowds are? Come chase some Sandhill and Desert Mule Deer with us! 111). Many of the biggest bucks each year are harvested from private lands; however, there are still great bucks on public land for the DIY draw hunters. Take Bear and lion tags if its stilll open and You can afford them..Good luck .BOB! However, that isn't to say there is not potential for something larger to be taken. The does are receptive for about three days. Malnutrition is the most common disease of mule deer (Bender et al., 2007, 2010, 2011), and when other diseases and parasitism cause mortality, the actual underlying cause is usually poor-quality food that causes malnourishment. Owned: 2,176 acres, Species: Elk, Mule Deer, Pronghorn, Sheep. The table below indicates some of the better mid-tier hunts with generally better odds that can still offer a good hunt. I drew New Mexico 2C Mule Deer this year (2022), I'd welcome the opportunity to discuss your hunt experience in the unit last year. Because of the changes, there are far fewer permits available than there once was and the odds of drawing have suffered. Rifle Mule Deer Hunt - Successful. I worked the brushy mountain area I just saw a doe and a yearling a few times. (Photograph courtesy of the Boone and Crockett Club). Highway 90 runs throughout the middle part of the unit. A party application is treated as a single application in the draw. The breeding season or rut for mule deer in New Mexico begins in late November (northern areas of the state) and lasts until mid-January (southern areas). Compared to the two previous years, 2023 is lining up to be a great antler growth year. That was his job for the week. It was my first time putting in for an out of state tag so I'm going to assume the odds were not that bad if I got one first time. Residents are guaranteed 84% of the permits for each hunt. The Blue Range Wilderness and Burro Mountain are found throughout this unit. Unbred mature does are rare in New Mexico. I am pretty sure my tag is for mule deer only. There is no preference or bonus point system. Lower elevation and Southerly sloped are predominately Pion-Juniper landscapes. Whether mule deer need free water is uncertain; they can probably meet their needs from succulent foods. This, combined with a faster metabolism than elk or cattle, is what drives their need for high-quality, easily digestible foods. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Lordsburg, NM Also if a rancher puts out a salt lick for cows by water you are not considered baiting by the wardens. You are using an out of date browser. Better luck next year I guess. but that might be excluded from 23, have to check the rules. I have an archery tag that is the month of September and first half of January. Archery: 24% Late archery: 16% Muzzleloader: 21% Rifle: 23%, Archery: 26% Late archery: 33% Muzzleloader: 40% Rifle: 30% Rifle: 23%, Archery: 34% Muzzleloader: 48% Rifle: 35% Rifle: 22%, Archery: 34% Late archery: 36% Muzzleloader: 26% Rifle: 20% Rifle: 20%, Archery: 20% Muzzleloader: 39% Rifle: 39% Rifle: 23%, Archery: 6% Late archery: 13% Muzzleloader: 26% Rifle: 25% Rifle: 16%, Archery: 6% Late archery: 24% Muzzleloader: 12% Rifle: 22% Rifle: 28%, Archery: 35% Muzzleloader: 40% Rifle: 53% Rifle: 38%, Archery: 24% Muzzleloader: 46% Rifle: 36%, Archery: 11% Late archery: 15% Muzzleloader: 35% Rifle: 43% Rifle: 49%, Archery: 15% Late archery: 50% Muzzleloadder: 16% Rifle: 31% Rifle: 29%, Archery: 11% Late archery: 21% Muzzleloader: 19% Rifle: 13% Rifle: 13%, Archery: 14% Late archery: 17% Muzzleloader: 28% Rifle: 26% Rifle: 30%, Late archery: 17% Muzzleloader: 42% Rifle: 33%. New Mexicos antler growth in most areas of the state is directly tied to the quality of the feed derived from winter, spring and early summer moisture. During winter, deer that use higher elevations usually migrate to lower elevations where food is more easily obtainable and deep snow does not limit their movements. Their daily intake varies from 0 to 1 1/2 quarts per 100 pounds of body weight. Many portions of the unit where Mule deer live are definitely not "desert" habitats, aside from the southern fifth near Roosevelt Lake. We highly recommend that you do not include fourth and fifth choices unless you are willing to accept any leftover license. Thats why the New Mexicans shoot dinks or have a hangover on the 2nd day of the hunt and get scunkedLOLBOB! Looks to be a promising area, will have to scout some more on the weekend of the 1st. Human-Wildlife Interactions, 6, 245260. Tried the high country, tried the mountains more south, hiked the river, all to see nothing but sign. Human-Wildlife Interactions, 5, 276286. Highway 180 runs throughout the east, near the Arizona state line. Since unit 23 is below the Mogollon Rim, by definition all of the Mule deer in the unit would be categorized by SCI as Desert Mule deer. Acknowledgement: Some of the information presented here was obtained from publications of the New Mexico Department of Game and Fish (www.wildlife.state.nm.us). Cooperative Extension programs, the Western Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies Mule Deer Working Group (www.muledeerworkinggroup.com), and State Wildlife Agencies all have publications and other information available on increasing the quality of deer habitat. The hunting area is situated in Sand Hill country with sagebrush & grass. Short video with information on hunting New Mexico's late archery hunt in unit 20 Bender, L.C. **50% is usually required to book hunt unless otherwise noted. 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