None could have anticipated how it would grow over the years, or the motley crew of characters who would be drawn to it. Crazy story of how things happened. We've gotten through conversations. You really need to build equity and build trust especially in the Midwest youve. At Bucks Pro Shop, you can find them. His friends, while the games are suspended, are trying to stay as prepared as possible. It's kind of like the joy of, like I said, I was a rough athlete compared to the Olympian and All-Star I'm talking to. He was unfamiliar with Lasry, then his friend filled him in. Thats the biggest change is the regional sports networks have changed dramatically. Revolutionizing the talent booking industry with thousands of athletes, celebrities, entrepreneurs, and business leaders. I mean, that's like, I mean, literally over and over and over again, relentlessly, the whole team to get it done. In a Q&A with The Undefeated, Milwaukee Bucks president Peter Feigin talked about resuming the season, the business lost due to COVID-19, and much more. You can always have free coffee. Listen, for the rest of my life, having a boycott for the game in the bubble where we put a pause in the world. And with that, Feigin became the business brains behind a team about to set NBA standards in architecture, basketball operations and technology -- only he didn't know it. And Peter, now is the President of the Milwaukee Bucks and has done an incredible job over the years with the Bucks since he's landed in Milwaukee. We screw around a hell of a lot, but let me tell you, if one of our guys was in trouble, if we need to circle the wagons, if they need advice on evaluating something they're doing, they know that it's extremely objective, it's immediate, and that's what we do here. You build this infrastructure and skill set that is geared toward a championship. What are the balances of management, of coaching of anything else? What a wonderful experience. Peter Feigin: I think building the relationship with Mark, probably through looking at other purchase opportunities and kind of talking through it. Peter: Oh, my goodness. Like you said at the top of the show, very few human beings even get to be in this position in any professional sports level. How exhausting was the bubble? Thats for every aspect of it. We can expose it as like, "Here, we're the example in Milwaukee." This years edition comes stamped with the Roman numeral XXVIII, to commemorate the games 28 years of existence. They have been through a system, if nothing else, highly competitive basketball for the last 12, 14 years, including kind of being shelled up in college, and what the pros are. You start with whats the goal? The players, nobody has the awareness that, most of our players are between 20 and 30 years old and it's like for the rest of the world, it's like the most developmental time. John: That is a big deal. financial capital with human capital to end up with the right result, how is that math done in Peter Feigins head? And have you seen that shift a little bit in the city since Milwaukee is kind of spearheading that, the Bucks? Thats a good run. Okay. And I think he's going to sell the team. That's kind of a surreal experience in NBA arenas.". Even though you're at the World of Disney, even Disney after about 10 days, you're ready to get out of Disney no matter where you are. I mean, the fact that players had just had it is no surprise. When he called Milwaukee "the most segregated, racist place I've ever experience in my life" in 2016, Feigin was just being a straight shooter intent on improving the neighborhood. Now youre on the journey. Well, that's you. But usually, The Run comprises a core group of 15 to 20 players who range from 16 to 58 years old. In his senior season, he was named the team captain, along with his twin brother Daniel, and was named the team's most improved player. Peter Feigin didn't go looking for his job as president of the Milwaukee Bucks. I think thats like fair. But kind of like would say I kind of got to play through high school college with just grit and will and really like persistence and relentlessness. This is a super special edition. He wanted to keep the team, which was a big catalyst for the whole movement.". Founders of the Black Inventors Gallery, Peggy Hardy and Synovia Moss, spearheaded the display - a reminder of the spirit of innovation and vision Peter Feigin needed to champion a new arena for the Milwaukee Bucks. Talk about the special, the specialness of how you were involved with designing the championship ring, because theres a lot of thought that you guys put into that ring. I literally said, "Hey, Giannis, do me a favor. His is a story of grit, will, and great humor. Talk about your organization, community involvement, and the impacts that you get to make both positive and otherwise. This guy is a relentless workaholic who is selfless to his teammates and like wants to win. Michael Red: Hey, everybody, this is Michael Red and welcome to the Betting on Yourself Podcast, where I interview successful entrepreneurs, athletes, and other top performers who rose to the top, took success into their own hands and bet on themselves. Maybe I'm biased, but knowing you and seeing what you've done with the Bucks. John: Hey, Peter. We've developed about 75% of it and people are living here, working here, and playing. My father happened to pass away probably within a couple months and very close with Mark and Wes, who basically at that time said, Well, you now have to really consider this and do this. And at the time, I always say, I was their last hope because of the timing of the acquisition. I can come up with a solution, we can figure it out somehow, some way if youve got the right people around you to do it. How big a deal it is to renovate downtown, and how big we can become and what a billboard the Milwaukee Bucks should be for Wisconsin around the world. Peter: John, the best. Now, youre talking to your wife and your children and youre moving from New York City to Wisconsin. He loved you guys and what the conversation is.". We were in this really awesome mode of, oh, this is a startup, like this is a startup. power forward, who lives in Southern California but joins The Run whenever he travels to New York for his job in finance. Because I talked with the Lakers guys, I talked with the Boston guys on what they had, did. Do you want to be in a place where people are having fun and were trying to get rid of all the toxic. How we build our brand and how we build our awareness and likability around that, it's just kind of one of those no-brainers, too. The building will also be the focal point of a 30-acre development in downtown Milwaukee, an urban revitalization project that Feigin believes in. I always think it comes back. Everybody knows everybody. Michael Red: After knowing you for the last six years, personally, two qualities stand out: Extremely funny and extremely generous. Peter Feigin: Yeah. View Peter Feigin's professional profile on LinkedIn. So, I think for myself to Coach Bud, to Jon, we all kind of are on the same page of preaching like, "This is a performance culture." Lasry, who has been active in Democratic Party politics, has invited various campaign staffers. Hows Warren Buffett in person as, how exactly? And the family went into the most unique times that we've ever seen in our lifetime a year ago. You're certainly allowed to have fun, because we have fun. I better go home and talk to Natalia to do it. Right now, its very hard to figure out and understand where its going, because this is the wild West. Citation. Peter Feigin: Yeah, I think it's part of the culture and kind of down from ownership, like you're going to stand for something or you're going to stand for nothing. Now youve been to the top of the mountain. When they talk about Milwaukee, theyre like, Are you kidding me? This is the best place Ive ever been. We go from that answer where we know how important it is because the winters here suck. Peter: Well, I always default to the Cluckery. Peter: We didnt finish the championship till mid-July, which meant like we didnt have long to get the rings included. Twin brothers Peter and David Paul are best known for their role in The Barbarians (1987). Peter: Then I think youre, listen, viewer consumption, what youre talking about is whether you put on an Oculus or whether youve got five screens going up, people are now watching short form video in five to 20 second increments to absorb a game. He's not the smartest guy in the world, but he'll certainly know the business and he'll help you out beyond your hedge fund guys and your data guys.". Peter: got to do what youre going to say and say what youre going to do and really be substantial. Weve got a sophomore in college and a senior in college. Why shouldn't we resemble the city we work and live in, instead of kind of what national things are? It's about doing things for the right reasons. Really surprised the 15 largest companies aren't following our lead and kind of like, "Where are they?" If you're going to go look at teams, grab my brother. But you got to remember, there's the rest of the neighborhood and we've got to continue to focus on the task at hand. At the backdrop of the luncheon were items invented by African Americans. Talk a bit about how to do that without bruising anyones ego and keeping everybody happy. Got it. Literally the world, like across European soccer, across everything, for people to at least stop and think. He's bigger, Giannis is even outside of the country than he is inside of it. Peter Feigin: Well, I think, like you talked about the opportunity for a great historic organization like this to embrace a former Olympian, it's all-star, like a person who's current in the game and really is an asset. But while it is nice to connect, Kearns described the calls as artificial sweetener. It is not the same. And from your perspective, how was the bubble? We have resources, we back them up, whatever you need, it's part of it. "We were, time-wise, kind of lucky," Feigin says with a laugh. Do you want to like, figure out what the handles are and become aThere are lots of opportunities in that realm, which I think are immediate. And that's what we try to do. Peter Feigin: Khris Middleton, as you can imagine, nobody understands that players have been having to get COVID tested twice a day and you got to come into our training center and we have parking spaces. We were literally refining, cared about all the cookies and stories in it and stuff. Michael Red: One thing that impresses me about our organization is how diverse it is. It would be fun to own a hundred McDonalds franchises and you guys would be great at that. It really is. John: No question. President Peter Feigin tells the 'The Claman Countdown' how the Bucks franchise has impacted the local economy Bucks president Peter Feigin said Friday that the team is going to use the. In a 10 year phase, I started with a startup with Marquis Jet, with Kenny Dichter and Jesse Itzler who started the business and came from sports. But in a short period of time, the prospect and the opportunity of just not running a team, but kind of building a city and the real estate and the expansion and kind of where Milwaukee was as a city and kind of an inflection point was just kind of one of these miracle situations. I mean, if I didn't have real responsibilities of a family and a wife, who actually says we need to live somewhere and stuff, I could get paid in gear. That the only option we really had was to build grassroots and build relationships and take time across the entire community. And I think of it, Michael, to answer the second part, it's like we thought we were woke. Im so proud and honored to have this conversation with you today, and thank you for your generosity of your time. And how do we capture that, both digitally and on broadcast? Alex Woodhouse "I thought I'd hit the jackpot," Feigin said. Peter Feigin: And how do you rethink your strategies for retail? My wifes born in El Salvador came here when she was 9 to Brooklyn. I think its hard to grasp where this is going, but it professionalizes players at this, Peter: point teenagers at a much earlier level than theyve ever been. His talents, hard work and dedication are the driving force behind the transformational vision for not only the Milwaukee Bucks and Fiserv Forum, but for the city of Milwaukee and state of Wisconsin. Talk about the journey to the Bucks and how did that happen and then why Milwaukee? By the way, its so much fun. and other sports leagues begin to outline their plans for comebacks in the age of social distancing, weekend warriors like Feigin are coping with basketball-shaped voids in their lives. That's not a "here we got to the finish line." Engage is the go-to spot for booking talent, for speeches, custom experiences, live streams, and much more. Peter: We took the lumps and then, yeah, I had my dream job when I was in my mid-20s as in Madison Square Garden like running marketing for the New York Knicks and I thought I could have died and gone to heaven and thats, I lived breathed in the Knicks basketball and Ranger hockey, it was the greatest. And as Marc kind of ventured out over a decade ago . How do we build the baselines? We dont compete against each other in arena revenue and local media revenue. His rise from recruiter's president, handing out parking tickets in the Buck's lot, working for social justice in the epicenter of the global movement, and his unique leadership style. But you would say I kind of got to play through high school college with just grit and will and really like persistence and relentlessness. And even as the N.B.A. Peter Feigin: Michael, like I said, anytime, anywhere. He ran companies like Alma and Posner and cosmetics. Its like you think about what the culture of community is. Peter: I went to Franklin and Marshall College, Lancaster, Pennsylvania. "We didn't have much time," he says. Michael Red: Talk about the process of redeveloping downtown and one who's so in love with Milwaukee and it's like a second home to me, living there for so many years. I really think its kind of a cycle of selflessness and kind of best practices. Because there's a lot of founders and entrepreneurs that listen to this as well and managing that dynamic with their family. We're not only going to be public, we're going to privately help kind of move the cause and funding. While previous owner Herb Kohl, the five-term U.S. senator from Wisconsin, stood in high regard in Milwaukee, the franchise had begun to slip. I've known him from a rookie to where he is now and Khris obviously. I think it starts with human capital, but it really starts with road mapping out each little thing. Their experience is basketball. And until next time, I'm Michael Red. Ive never seen less arguing in a serious pickup game, said Adam Keefe, a former N.B.A. Im not a big fan of, hey, we need to make money or consult off that. You know what I mean? Every Wednesday, Dan Feigin, now the director of Trevors Upper School on the Upper East Side, sends a mass email to determine who will be playing that weekend. We're going to build it locally, regionally, nationally and then internationally. He's going to sell the team. Peter Feigin on the Fiserv Forum, Sports Betting, and the Impact of Giannis WHRB News March 3, 2019 . This is why you go to Parents' Night, folks. That was, Peter: That was it. Peter: Obviously, we have like, all of them are employee resource groups. I took great pride in seeing the development of downtown and what you guys were doing with the city. So, how do you navigate the ship through waters you've never been through before? It's amazing to see what has been accomplished in a short amount of time," shared Dan Feigin. Kevin Draughon, a former student at Trevor Day School, drove on Dan Feigin, who runs the pickup games on Saturdays at the schools gym. And if nothing else, like we kind of, I always answer everything pretty simply. The good news is it's pretty small shop. I think, listen, you could certainly have success with superpower and great skill and everything, but to have peopleYou mentioned at the beginning of the show, how in a small market, do you keep consistency? Holy cow pinch me because this is so awesome where it is.". This is the Impact Podcast. We scaled the company up to, a little bit under a billion dollars. The arena is Feigin's baby, and he's almost ready to show it off, as doors will open next season. There's no business." Peter: So my ring sits in my underwear drawer in our house which is like, great and its got readily accessibleI mean its huge. That's what and that's ongoing. Whether youre building an arena, whether youre building infrastructure or a team, whether youre dealing with the same problems, it is really powerful to end up with, when you come up with conflict and problems or you need solutions, or you need smart brains to be able to pick up the phone with 5, 10 like-minded people who are dealing with the same stuff. Even though all of us who were so engaged into, nothing compared to what that value was, what that emotion was too. Number one, were in the middle of COVID. Talk about that nuance because like you were saying, from the outside in, you could say all the players have it made. I never wanted to be that guy with the goggles and the knee brace and the tucked-in shirt being like, Hey! But boy, if I could have mastered that a little bit earlier that that'd be one of the things I would do. Its really important and youve got to take a real responsibility. Peter: You got it running the 70s, 80s and 90s, yep. I love our chances this year, sincerely. How do we work together? "We are literally just scraping the surface of what can come from this," he says. We happen to have like the largest kitchen in the state of Wisconsin. Then it would move the franchise to Las Vegas or Seattle. What advice can you share backwards to the young people out there that want to live your journey or something close to it? John: Its so amazing you say that. Where does your ring sit? This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Where were you on sports? Peter Feigin: And you've got to put with everything going on in the world, there's got to be that balance of like, "Hey, there are priorities." Peter Feigin: Yeah, I think it's like I take everything from athletics. Peter Feigin: And I think I kind of have this delusion that there's nothing that I can be a part of, that we can't accomplish. Peter: Im fairly, my mom was immersed in data analytics before data and analytics was business intelligence. I answer that by saying like we were successful because at the time the Brooklyn Nets, the Orlando Magic, and a bunch of other teams were selfless with their help with us on how to have best practices on how to build an arena and how to build an infrastructure on how to form. And the task at hand here is like the more successful we are on the court, the more successful we are on the business, the more opportunity we will have to do other things. Are they all going to be important or do you see one heavier leaning heavier than other, in terms of future revenue opportunities that are credible and consistent? And we're going to be the No. That's actually a step up from the orange vests and hard hats he's been wearing in Milwaukee, constantly checking on the construction of the Wisconsin Entertainment and Sports Center, the non-branded name of the arena. I really hope I get to meet you in the future. Peter Feigin: And then, one of the more proud moments in pro sports, we lead a boycott to a game, that becomes really a pause for the entire world. Youre going to have a lot of fun. But I will tell you that most cathartic incredible, awesome thing, which everybody told me and again, the collaborative is awesome. To learn more about the world championship, Milwaukee Bucks, you can find Peter and all of his colleagues and the players and all their stats @bucks.com, bucks.com. And to think it all started at a private school in New York City. It all matters what state youre in and whats going on with the legislation. Talk about that process. "That was my dream of dreams when I was a kid: Oh, my God.. This was the Milwaukee Bucks at the time had lost the most games in the NBA, had the least revenue, had the least season ticket holders, any metric you could measure. Youve got Wes Edens who has probably started up dozens of companies in private equity and has an unbelievable kind of entrepreneurial spirit. It became such a healthy place to be.. While Feigin can watch Antetokounmpo and the Bucks any time he wants on NBA 2K or social media -- "The truth is our digital channels are ten times like what our local broadcasts are," he says -- he has the distinct pleasure in Milwaukee of actually getting to catch the action in person. Ill tell you how it I got the offer, the conversation and we play a pickup game of basketball every Saturday for 20 years with the same guys. And it was a fantasy. We had a, if you remember, we had a COVID extended season. We had this, I think it was an intern, said to us like, Well, we should, have you read about ghost kitchens? Of course were sitting there going like, eh, kind of like, we dont know what the hell youre talking about. As you said, because of your mom and dads background, and because you had some of the rock stars of industry, as you say, Masters of the Universe, as your partners, you got to meld your experiences, your parents coaching, and then the rock stars came and they were also, you got a perfect soup of business experience to create this amazing success story. My son was a freshman at San Joaquin Memorial High School when Brook Lopez was there and he played with Brook under coach Pat Giles. Giannis was like, Ill make this simple, its got to be bigger than that Lakers ring it might be, and its got to be cool. We wanted like a really cool clean design. And I think with time, you certainly kind of can take that. But for us, it's kind of like, "How do we make an equal playing field? Whether it's police reform, whether it's incarceration, whether it's education, whether it's food desert. I think one of the things Jason of Beverly Hills, who was the designer and the manufacturer did, we just had this awesome element that the top of the ring came off and became a pendant on your, that you could actually wear as a necklace. It was kind of like take a weekend and moonlight into a fun job. But I'm sure [inaudible 00:30:10] the players in that process. In all, about 100 players have played in The Run over the decades, some more luminous than others. Unfortunately, I probably haven't changed mentally or emotionally since we met, but she's my teammate. In 2014, Bucks President Peter Feigin lost his father to congestive heart failure. We're going to develop some residential and we'll hopefully have a great commercial tenant and we continue to build. John: Oh, my Gosh. 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