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And when he sees he cant save it, it sounds like then he was trying to lobby for being able to resign, and a lot of emotional manipulation being used that weekend from from what youve told me. Thanks for for standing up for what was right. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. He would probably be wildly successful. If hes fired, and its in the church is very clear on him being fired and disqualified for ministry. Imagine such a thing. And from the video that he recorded with James, it sounds like the spin is that James was actually guilty. There would be no Roys Report without Judson University. Just saying a lot of vile things. Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel filed a lawsuit this month against two ex-members and former Moody Radio host Julie Roys, accusing them of spreading false information about the . Thanks for a thoughtful, educated, godly response. Julie Roys knows she published many false statements about me, false statements now proven such in a court of law, yet she has retracted nothing. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. Great! I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. Jared Prayed for you just now. In our required Old and New Testament classes, we utilized the Oxford Annotated Bible. This is James said what he said. And it was a pretty tough meeting. We are so embarrassed and disgusted by his gross actions in the last 30 years. I asked Sandy Song to potentially write a letter. And that was a big question. And I stopped my car. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. Its a reference to sex magik and the leaders have given a hat tip to their god right in the church name. She said a survey of 20,000 women for her book, The Great Sex Rescue, found that when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. Think of the godly ones youve known and thank God for them. And its to warn people, right? Its more of a social teaching of extreme patriarchal churches to protect and promote the power structure of who is God-ordained to be in charge. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. In 2018, Roys' journalism exposed the now-former senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) James MacDonald for his aggressive leadership style and abuse of the church's finances. The devil is at work. Thats what meeting and when youre in a conference called and youre making a decision like that, every elder everybody on the meeting on the call had to make right had the voice be asked any question you have. I knew what the topic was. We all need to do it together, etc, etc. And the pain is overwhelming. You have exemplified godly leadership and godly character. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. But over there, you know, I, you know, six, seven people who had read the letters, probably more than that by the time, and we talked about what was in the letters. But it was at this point that I started to reach out to Harvest and really seeking their comment on some of the things that I had heard. Hes talking about James McDonald, but not calling him out by name. You cant unconditionally support anybody. Okay. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. We knew I needed to do it. Charles, Divorce is a civil remedy that is necessary when there is abuse, physical, emotional, financial, or even when people are incompatible. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And then saying, I need a private jet to fly me home. Ill write a statement. Leslie said: Julie Roys is a Christian investigative reporter who has called out some big names, and she has suffered for it. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. And I gotta tell you, the people of Harvest, the people who were there before, the people who were still there, were so forgiving. And I remember, Julie, I was in that meeting that Tuesday night. And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonalds employment should be terminated for cause at that point. What Happens Now? | (Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel video screen grab) Harvest Bible Chapel has dropped a lawsuit against author and journalist Julie Roys and the writers of the Elephant's Debt blog amid public scrutiny for an alleged culture of fear, intimidation, and financial mismanagement. I agree that its loving to speak the truth, even when its unpopular, but the New Testament also has a lot to say about the way we conduct ourselves and how we should treat each other. I remember sitting on my couch waiting to press the button to publish it. Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. Ill tell you one thing, Julie. This is the most used and abused (pun intended) argument. And her being in my house and literally shaking as shes recounting. Think Ill go preach at my cat nowhe has huge ears & better discernment than those willfully cowering in the open cage of the corporate state-church. So, Dan, thank you for that. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. I pray for the man. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, heres the passages Ive been studying. The way James MacDonald is said to have treated others while pastor of Harvest and the way he behaves on Twitter dont seem to be in keeping with the way the New Testament says we should behave. https://biblehub.com/hebrew/898.htm bagad (treachery aka abuse) is used FIVE times in Malachi 2:10-16!!! And I dont need to know. Well she finally called Julie Jezebel Roys I invited Julie to appear in a public forum before and interested audience and answer for the many many lies she has told about me and my family as well as her bullying of anyone who opposes her or stands with us. Am I right? Visconti also had posts supporting far-right causes. And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. "I was sitting in the back seat. The pastor of the largest church in Minnesota (around 23,000 average . And Dean Butters letter came in that way as well. How about it James McDonald and John MacArthur (and the like), how about it? It does. And this still disheartens me, because the people of Harvest, who we were supposed to be overseeing at that point, we were silent on that weekend, because we couldnt come to an agreement about what we would do. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . (Proverbs 27:12). I look back at those meetings. This is going amongst the elders now. And I just remember my first feeling, you know, just honestly, relief. No, Im just reporting. Five of the six have been published. So that we could live in freedom. But according. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while. Its so interesting. It was a large elder board. Other posts decried abortion, transgenderism, and Christians who are apolitical or nice.. And we were at a stalemate. And then he apologized. You really didnt know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didnt know he was on mic. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. I was thrown out of the church we gave our lives to by a group of rogue leaders, MacDonald writes. So quick to forgive and people were giving me hugs the next night. Yes, it is. But its a story that needs to be toldand rememberedgiven that MacDonald is trying to relaunch his ministry in Chicago. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. To myself, I said, and do our job. Who were all shameless self promoters. Harvest didnt know what it looked like to not have him as a senior pastor. But it was dark. Great! Because it was still a time when many elders were not admitting any of the wrongs that they had done. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. Im gonna put it up on my Facebook page, on my blog. To donate, James MacDonald Ministries June 13, 2021 Email, Ed Stetzer Named Dean of Biola Universitys Talbot School of Theology, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Landon MacDonald to Lead Arizona Megachurch Despite Allegations of Abuse When at Harvest Bible Chapel, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. That was a very common part of how Harvest approached things like that. What I especially find troubling is this: How come nobody has talked about the false doctrines that MacDonald has been preaching??? Yeah Cynthia. . MacDonald notes in the email that about a month after the settlement, he was able to write to recipients of the email. Now, now James is saying, oh, Mancow edited this to say something that it really didnt say. I also dont believe girls (or boys) have to like certain colors or behave and dress in certain ways to be real girls/boys. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. So lets move on to these letters. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. They discuss the role of journalism as it relates to local churches and prominent leaders, and her her current work investigating Harvest Bible Chapel and Pastor James MacDonald. And had those letters not reach the board, its hard to say where James McDonald would be today. This wasnt anything else. Its funny how things turn out, and this situation isnt wrapped up, yet. Then pray for all of us. What Happens Now? He was like he started appealing the process. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. I just know I got them. I didnt, I didnt argue with him. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? The owners of Marquardt are friends of mine, Dan and Kurt Marquardt. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastors office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. The ministry is growing, we should expect to be attacked. Hes like the whole the whole thing was about resigning. Rick, Donald actually had talked to me after the meeting and said, how much that meant to James. And were like, boy, I hate to say this, but that just felt demonic. Thank you. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. And my wife, my wife and I looking at each other and going are we really doing this? Instead, he blocked our access to his and Generation Churchs social media accounts. Anne Green, who is married, alleged that MacDonald touched her inappropriately on a private plane in 2005. Its almost like he got a bit weird with elephant conference and his new ministry associations as he left the Gospel Coalition and jumped into the Prosperity group. Please dont read something into a story thats not there. The 8 Best Julie Roys Podcasts. In October, Harvest along with lead pastor James MacDonald filed a defamation lawsuit against the author of the World article, Julie Roys, for "asserting false allegations" during her eight . I had all the letters at that point. And I dont know what his exact words were, but it was basically dont you dare read scripture to me. It was a Wednesday or Thursday night on the Rolling Meadows campus. And and Im still feeling it and Im still hearing from people. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. He was the second longest tenured pastor at Harvest. Like, I cant believe this. God does not value the sanctity of marriage more than the safety and sanity of individuals in that marriage.. And I got it. Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. No One Knows. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, . Receive E-Devotionals and Ministry Updates. . Thank you. At least some did. Id read through everything and all the letters. Jesus help us. But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. Ministry News. And the things that were done to them after they left. And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. It was really it was a painful meeting, it was a was an eye opening meeting as well though. The Asbury Revival Is Over. In a recent Instagram story, Visconti, pastor of Generation Church in Mesa, claimed abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. And in an Instagram post on November 21 that received 5,621 likes Visconti wrote: A weak woman with a strong husband will become a strong woman. Thank you for taking the stand that you did. Ive already told you there was consensus from board. I had, of course, people from Harvest who had heard it, sending me sending me clips. And he says he refuses to read it and says hes not going to mislead the congregation. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James MacDonald? And I was just, it was entertaining, you know, on one level, but on the other level, just absolutely tragic. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. And we were at an absolute stalemate. Is that an accurate representation? This is not my judgment but that of his elders from HBC. But its also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. She wrote about, you alluded to it, she wrote about the end of this Risen for the Nations tour when they were in Haiti. It is not an ecclesiastical remedy at least not any longer. Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? Our marriage improved incredibly after we both agreed that neither one of us was Jesus. What is the point of bringing this pastors political views into the story? The leaders in our church spoke like KJ era British people when they prayed, I always wondered why. But I had all I had all the letters by that point. Is that how it went down? Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. And everyone who stayed just drank the Kool-Aid. What does the bible say about that? I was there at HBC & witnessed it. Because Julie, I knew that, even if Id gotten the chance to read it in front of Harvest, which would have been really hard, but would have been healing to people. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. The airing accelerated the timeline. And I said, Listen, I get it. He should sell cars or computers. Julie can and has spoken for herself, but I must speak up against loaded questions like this. Right, so now you have this meeting that ends you know, Tuesday night meeting that ends in the wee hours of the Wednesday, February 6. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. Yeah, yeah. So the topic of you know, among other things, the topic of the meeting that night on the agenda was to go through the letters to look at the charges and to walk through it and decide, does he meet the qualifications of an elder? So what happened? James MacDonald and His Earlier Attacks on Julie Roys. Thats what the weight was. And at the end of the night, we looked around the room, we had talked through it. He wasnt bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. But I think it was And anyway, hes fired. Plus, the school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. I talked to other people who told me of demands that he made for private jets on numerous occasions. Great! I say this as a Christian who was taken to task by Christian doctors who told me of all sorts of cases that are not as the woman loved murdering her baby as many pro-life conservatives want everyone to believe. Not saying anything about the about the men in the room, but that becomes unwieldy. *Correction: A previous version of this story incorrectly reported that Visconti and Generation Church had deleted their social media accounts. It was positioned as an attack because the ministry was growing and those people were bitter, etc. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. Thats a Tuesday night. But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. I am so sorry to report that he has not changed. I mean his letter, not just talking about the abusive behavior of James, but the things he did with the money going on African safaris with the church money. Can you share what was in it? And youre going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. Can you say what was in that letter? I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. Yeah. And I know it was a battle. I think he might have and the reason I say that is that weekend, so you know, here we are on Tuesday, Tuesday, the fifth. For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. Nah Gary, thats just typical cat behavior for you, with or without Kenneth Copeland. In the area (a south metro suburb of Minneapolis, MN ), that's just the average cost of a house. She sends it to me and I wrote it. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. When I did not immediately respond, MacDonald tweeted I had declined his invitation, which I did not. You dont know how I got ahold of them. In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. And I said, I understand that. And Im just trying to smear him. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. And I got the text. Hear the dramatic and sovereignly orchestrated story of how MacDonalds actions finally came to light at Harvest. 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